Timeline for Problems with Mi Yodeya
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| Feb 18, 2015 at 14:56 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | @DanF, I've posted statistics specifically to address the claims here about overall trends, not to discount anyone's individual experiences. As I said above, "I know that there are things you don't like here, and that there are things we genuinely need to work on, and I am know that there are others who have visited MY who feel similarly to you. However, I am unconvinced that the issues you raise represent an existential challenge or an ingrained cultural ill." | |
| Feb 17, 2015 at 18:48 | comment | added | DanF | @IsaacMoses I get why you have these stats, but there is a general rule about stats - they can be interpreted according to personal bias. As happens often in life, sometimes even a single bad experience ruins whatever positive stats you may find. What may be useful, if such info exists, is to get a better sense of how many complaints, and even better, what the nature of these complaints are. See my answer, below, for my own "complaint" and analysis. I will add, that at times, at least at the beginning, the tone was rude. And, I read comments to others, and sometimes they're even more appaling! | |
| Feb 17, 2015 at 15:17 | answer | added | DanF | timeline score: 7 | |
| Feb 16, 2015 at 21:49 | answer | added | Mike | timeline score: 8 | |
| Feb 16, 2015 at 8:34 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses Thanks a lot for all your research! The statistics look a lot better than I thought. I'm glad people aren't as easily put-off as I thought by what I see as problems. Still, I think we can afford to work on them. | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 7:29 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | ... Here's my first hack at this. Users who have posted (non-deleted) Q/A: 2612. Users who have posted and then posted at least once over 24 hours later (overall retention): 842 (32%). Users who have had a closure within 24 hours of first post: 187. Number of those retained (as above): 44 (24%). This could be lower because of people getting turned off or because people who post something closeworthy are more likely to be drive-bys. | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 6:06 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | ... find an email address in my profile. The retention query I posted above doesn't account for deleted posts, since they aren't in the data dump that the queries can access. It doesn't differentiate between closed or not closed posts. I was actually thinking before Shabbat of doing some more digging along those lines. I'll let you know if I come up with useful queries for that. | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 6:05 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | @SAH Please feel free to continue to post on Meta. There'd be nothing wrong with posting a question along the lines of "What's it like for women here?" (though hopefully somewhat more focused) and then posting your own answer. I am not an administrator, just a very long-standing user. You have as much right to post to Meta as I or anyone else around here does. The best way to discuss this stuff is here in Meta or in our chat room. I can't imagine a need, based on this conversation, for off-line discussion, but if it's needed, you can ... | |
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| Feb 15, 2015 at 1:30 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses Finally re:women. I would be interested to hear similar opinions about what this site is like for non-Jews (if any of them are in fact on Meta). I do feel that they are frequently targets of bad behavior. (I'm guessing about people's Jewish status based on their names and the types of questions they ask, although neither of those is particularly reliable.) | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 0:45 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses I wanted to check also...does your retention percentage include people whose post #1 was closed/deleted? thanks | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 0:31 | comment | added | anon | @MonicaCellio Thanks for your care, and absolutely. I don't know if my registered email address is visible to you, but if so, you can contact me there--just please give me a heads-up here, too, since I don't always check that address. Alternatively, we can chat another way -- just tell me what's best for you. | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 0:30 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses Finally, I'd be very pleased to post my thoughts about women's experience here. It would be great, though, if other women could chime in. Would you or another administrator consider opening a question on Meta which we could answer? | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 0:28 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses, I don't either think that the site's problems represent an "existential challenge or an ingrained cultural ill"; if I thought things were as hopeless as that, I wouldn't have mentioned anything. In my view, the closest thing to that sort of problem is an somewhat-too-draconian desire to create and enforce rules here, but that is not necessarily the main issue at all. | |
| Feb 15, 2015 at 0:23 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses, first of all, thanks for doing the modification/edits. Second, thanks for that retention data; I'm surprised and pleased to hear that Mi.Yodeya is on the better end of things, and I stand corrected. Actually that number looks pretty good to me. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 17:18 | answer | added | Yishai | timeline score: 6 | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 16:41 | history | edited | Isaac MosesMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:57 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | I would be sincerely very interested to hear more (perhaps in the form of a dedicated post constructively suggesting improvement) about your experience as a female user. As I said, I believe and have reason to that women are in the significant minority here, but for the most part, people here can't tell others' gender. I have seen very few, if any, instances of overt mistreatment of female users here, but maybe I'm overlooking something more subtle. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:45 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | I know that there are things you don't like here, and that there are things we genuinely need to work on, and I am know that there are others who have visited MY who feel similarly to you. However, I am unconvinced that the issues you raise represent an existential challenge or an ingrained cultural ill. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:40 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | I whipped up a "user retention" query: Percent of people who have posted on one day that have come back to post on another day. Results: MY 33%; Christianity 26%; BH 27%; Skeptics 32%; English 28%; Physics 35%; Travel 23%; Money 29%. This is anecdotal, but not cherry-picked. I have run only these so far, picking sites that are our peers in some way off the top of my head. Of these, we're on the higher end in terms of retention. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:32 | comment | added | Monica Cellio Mod | @SAH I am deeply sorry that you are feeling turned away by this site; I hate to see anybody leave, but especially those who have contributed a lot over a long period of time like you. Since you named me in your post, would you be willing to discuss this with me further in a less-public venue? | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:27 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses If you want to show me again, feel free; I stand by what I am saying (that it's disproportionate) | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:26 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses I remember not being convinced. But honestly it's neither here nor there. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:25 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses You're right, I shouldn't have said "very few," which implies a literal count | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:25 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | @SAH, I have demonstrated otherwise in comments on a previous post of yours, using concrete evidence. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:24 | comment | added | anon | @IsaacMoses Most by numbers--of course! It would be completely unheard of to have a public site (.SE for example) in which that were not the case. I'm just talking statistically, among "frequent users" as judged by the percentile ranks--I think it's a disportionately low percentage. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:21 | comment | added | Isaac Moses Mod | Most of the people around here are, and most of the posts come from "completely unaffiliated with the site's founding, administration, and management." I suspect that you're right about there being relatively few women, though | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:20 | comment | added | anon | @msh210 You're not guilty. But thanks a lot for your attention to this question as a mod. I really do appreciate it. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:18 | comment | added | msh210 Mod | I am guilty of some of the wrongs delineated here and am trying to improve. But if I'm guilty of, specifically, "edit[ing] questions hastily and incompetently" or even of wrongly "edit[ing] and/or delet[ing] any and every new question", then could you please give me a couple of examples? I'd like to know what edits of mine are bad or too much. Here in a comment is fine; for more privacy you can include it in a flag for mod attention or e-mail me (the server is later redacted and the mailbox is later redacted). Thanks. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 14:03 | comment | added | Double AA Mod | FWIW the comment you quote was actually upvoted. | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 11:56 | answer | added | Scimonster | timeline score: 6 | |
| Feb 13, 2015 at 11:38 | history | asked | anon | CC BY-SA 3.0 |