Would it be possible to add a Hebrew virtual keyboard to the edit and comment boxes so that we can type in hebrew, should the need arise?
Right now I'm either cutting and pasting, or just transliterating what I want to quote.
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5That would be awesome.– Isaac Moses ModJun 5, 2011 at 4:13
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2Any reason doing this in your OS isn't suitable?– Rebecca ChernoffJun 5, 2011 at 4:24
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I never tried to do it with my OS. I was thinking about a virtual keyboard that would pop up in the edit box if needed, kind of like this one: hebrew-keyboard.com (although that one is there all the time)– MenachemJun 5, 2011 at 4:36
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@Rebecca If you know any easy ways to enable Hebrew typing, please add an answer to this question.– Isaac Moses ModJun 5, 2011 at 4:36
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1@IsaacMoses, I googled for a guide and added it to msh's answer there.– Rebecca ChernoffJun 5, 2011 at 4:47
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1@Rebecca, better bi-di support would also be blessed.– AviDJun 5, 2011 at 6:29
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@RebeccaChernoff To sweeten the deal, you can throw in other keyboards that would be useful for other sites. I.e., accented chars for French, German, and Spanish sites. (Chinese and Japanese keyboards might be too unwieldy, but then again, I have no idea).– HodofHodJun 1, 2012 at 20:13
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This one has vowels: 1 | This one is phonetic: 2– b aJul 3, 2012 at 5:37
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1@ba: Google translate now has a phonetic option as well.– MenachemJul 4, 2012 at 0:03
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2As well as google translate (need to set phonetic typing yourself), there's Google transliterate. I can't read a letter of Hebrew, but I can type מזל טוב.– Andrew GrimmAug 9, 2012 at 22:14
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Great idea. I just was about to ask. Also add this to chat when it comes to be, please!– Charles KoppelmanJun 4, 2013 at 16:23
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@AndrewGrimm: Google Transliterate is now part of the Google Input Tools suite. Your link is only useful for native Hebrew speakers. If your native language is English and you want to type in Hebrew or Yiddish, you should go here instead.– unforgettableidSupportsMonicaApr 13, 2017 at 11:47
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I'm Laura, a product manager at Stack Exchange.
We've implemented the Hebrew keyboard as an experiment to see if this is a tool we should develop further and offer as an add-on feature for communities like this one that have a valid need to quote or reference texts in in languages that use non-Latin alphabets.
The feature is based on HodofHod's user script. It works for question bodies and answers on the main site, and it's a new button right in the editing menu:
Clicking the icon for the Hebrew keyboard will pop up a box (which you can drag to wherever you'd like it on the screen). The keyboard will automatically disappear when you click outside of the main body area.
The virtual keyboard is not available for comments, question titles, or tag fields; there are a few reasons for that. First, like I said, this is an experiment, so we wanted to cover the most important use cases without fully fleshing out a feature that we haven't decided yet to permanently integrate into our system. If you need to post in Hebrew outside a question or answer body, you can use the body field to type with the virtual keyboard, then copy it to where you actually want to post. The other reason for not adding this support outside of main content areas is a UI reason: it becomes much more difficult to find an obvious but unobtrusive way to call up the keyboard when it's not part of a full formatting menu.
As I mentioned before, this is an experiment. Therefore, if there's something buggy, weird, or missing, feel free to let us know here on Meta Mi Yodeya. If it's a success, we may add this as another tool that we can add to sites where it seems appropriate and useful.
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2Product Manager? When did that happen? Congratulations on the new (?) position!– Isaac Moses ModSep 4, 2013 at 18:02
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1@IsaacMoses It's almost the same job she did previously, except that she's now allowed to yell at us developers. Sep 5, 2013 at 18:55
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1First of all, this is awesome. A couple thoughts 1) is it possible to have the hebrew keyboard have the hebrew keyboard layout, at least as an option? 2) any consideration to adding a spacebar key to the virtual keyboard?– MenachemSep 8, 2013 at 4:47
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1@Menachem: I'm curious what the purpose of the spacebar would be. The idea isn't to replace your keyboard, but to augment it with characters you don't already have. HodofHod's script is somewhat more fully featured and includes the standard layout. It might help us understand the need if you could describe how you use (or hope to use) the keyboard. Sep 16, 2013 at 16:56
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1I use the keyboard when I'm input in Hebrew word(s). Most of the time it is more than one word and using the mouse to input the space doesn't break the workflow like going back to the keyboard in order to input a space– MenachemSep 16, 2013 at 17:47
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It looks like you're trying to get a feature request implemented. You should totally drop that and try jQuery. ;)
I've thrown together (in jQuery) a really quick keyboard userscript (installation instructions). It will insert a button into the post editor and into chat, that toggles an on-screen Hebrew keyboard. It's draggable, and resizable, and awesome. Really. There are some screenshots below. You should check them out.
¿Preguntas? ¿Comentarios? Let me know!
Couple things to note:
- Hebrew input still has all of its signature finickiness. Nothing I can do about this, that I know of. I've added an ‏ key to help. You're on your own from here.
- This is currently limited to Mi Yodeya and Biblical Hermeneutics. It is future-proofed for Hebrew.SE, whenever that happens.
- The default layout is alephbetical. If you prefer the קראטו layout, click "Settings" and check the box that says "Use standard layout."
- The ‏ key inserts the unicode entity, which is pretty much invisible. If you prefer it added as text, there's a setting for that, too. Note that SE's chat will not convert the html entity
‏to unicode, so this setting only applies for non-chat textfields. The keyboard is textfield agnostic. It will insert characters into whatever textfield has, or last had, focus.
Before y'all ask, I think meseg and rafe and maqaf and paseq and sof pasuk is pushing it. You got mapik/dagesh/shuruk, and that oughta keep you busy for a while. (Ok, I'm kidding; if you want it, I'll add it. :D)
In chat, the button is right next to the send button:
Everywhere else, the keyboard button appears in a fixed location on the bottom left of your browser window.
Keyboard looks like this:
And the settings like this:
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The one at the top-right-hand corner of the page at http://www.hebrewbooks.org/ has the following good aspects:
- It's small (compact), not taking up a lot of screen 'real estate'.
- It's easy to use.
- How to use it is intuitive AFAICT, not requiring a "help" link.
- It's in alphabetical order, so those unused to Hebrew-layout keyboards can use it easily. (Those used to Hebrew-layout keyboards can presumably use their keyboards and don't need one on-screen.)
However, it has the following bad aspects:
- It doesn't include vowels. But IMO that's okay: most often, one doesn't need them; when someone does, he can use other means of typing Hebrew.
- It always pastes to the end of the input box, not wherever the cursor is. But that requires a change in the JS which I suspect is easy to effect, and no change in the UI.
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1The one at Google Translate (select From: Hebrew, to see it) is also really good and does include nekudos support. Unfortunately typing nekudos is always a pain (Use shift and one of the top row of the keyboar - while caps lock is on)– yydlJun 14, 2011 at 18:32
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1@yydl but the one at Google Translate is in keyboard-order, so it's very annoying for those who are not used to Hebrew keyboards (or at least to me
:-)). (And I suppose most people who are used to them don't need on-screen keyboards, as they'll just use their own keyboards.)– msh210 ModJun 14, 2011 at 18:54 -
Ah, I see. I'm actually used to the (standard) קראטו keyboard layout. But I suppose you have a point. Perhaps this can be a preference setting.– yydlJun 14, 2011 at 18:55
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