From comments on the main group siyum post:

  • Should PTIJ be excluded?
  • Should other closed questions be excluded?

Within the "exclude" side, there are two options:

  1. They don't count towards the goal of having a question per perek, but should still be posted in addition to a real question
  2. Leave them out entirely

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I think closed, non-PTIJ questions should be left out entirely. They're closed because they're a bad fit for the site, so adding them to the siyum post is just unnecessary noise.

PTIJ questions should definitely not count towards the goal of having a question per perek. They can be added at the bottom of the masechet's post, in a labeled spoiler section.

If a question that is closed as a duplicate contains some extra information related to a mishnah, but the main question doesn't (as pointed out by DoubleAA), my proposal is as follows:

  • If the information improves the question, it should be edited into the main question.
  • If it's extraneous, then it probably would have been edited out of the duplicate if it hadn't been closed as a duplicate, so it shouldn't count.
  • There could be some corner cases not covered by either of those two possibilites, where it actually makes sense to refer to a duplicate (e.g. why don't Jews consider Bar Kochva Mashiach, answer refers to נלכדה בתר, then it was marked as a duplicate of the main reference question), but they should be very rare and I would take those on a case by case basis.
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    What about duplicates? A duplicate might mention a Mishna that the open version doesn't mention
    – Double AA Mod
    Apr 3, 2019 at 21:03
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    "refers to a mishnah": note that the siyum doesn't require that the post refer to the chapter, only that it "relate[] directly to" the chapter. For example, if you see a question that quotes the verbatim codification of a mishna in halacha and doesn't refer to the mishna at all, that'd (IMO) definitely count toward the "Mi Yodeya twist" requirement.
    – msh210 Mod
    Apr 4, 2019 at 13:24
  • @msh210 how about this?
    – Heshy
    Apr 4, 2019 at 13:27
  • (re your comment addressed to me) Looks good, thanks.
    – msh210 Mod
    Apr 4, 2019 at 14:07
  • I disagree with the notion that every reference in a duplicate either should be in the original or should/would be edited out. The whole point of keeping dupes around is that they come at the same question in a different way, which is valuable. Unlike answers, questions are not supposed to strive for some ideal of comprehesiveness.
    – Isaac Moses Mod
    Apr 4, 2019 at 18:04
  • @IsaacMoses I guess what you're saying is that most cases will fit into my third bullet? I can accept that.
    – Heshy
    Apr 4, 2019 at 20:06

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